Discussion»Questions»Outside the Mug» In the event Donald Trump received jail sentence you think would be more suitable that he plead insanity and go to a mental institution?
Now that is another matter, and I agree. What can be done, given the state of stagnant, polarized partisanship? It won’t happen in any real way from Capital Hill.
It will, of course, as with all important matters, come down to the will of the voters, with our increasingly maginalized power, to settle this...or worsen it. The consequences of bad choices should be a greater concern than in previous election cycles.
Disturbs me that people talk about jailing our president. You don't like someone or agree with them so you just throw them in jail. Just like in totalitarian countries.
Freedom of speech is freedom to express ourselves and our opinions and views. I don't see it as freedom to hate. I regard hate as a personal character flaw.
This post was edited by officegirl at February 11, 2019 5:26 PM MST
If that is a tack you wish to take, supporting the current President, given his embrace of insult and divisiveness, paints you as either selectively biased or hypocritical.
We are gifted with the right to speak our minds. That is not the case in totalitarian regimes (thanks for bringing them up). Imagining someone who is detestable to us being imprisoned is just as viable and permissable to any of us as it is to a candidate for public office to expound the same about his opponents.
Personally, I regard espousing cognitive dissonance as a personality flaw.
So then you don't believe that much of what is expressed on this site stems from hatred? In terms of being divisive why would not that have been more true of say Pres. Obama who with that "ObamaCare" at one stroke created an artificial division be mandating that some of us need to pay more for the same services than others? Was that not divisive? Different systems for different people, different rules for different people. Or should that not be considered an :insult" to people who have worked hard all our lives to make something of ourselves?
Not smart enough to have any idea what "cognitive dissonance" but I guess those of you who consider yourselves smarter can just raise the ante to push me out of the game. Which no doubt I should never have even tried to get into. I know whatever I post will always be regarded as "selectively biased" or "hypocritical" because I don't count with you. Which is why I tend to go with those few I do matter to. Or who pretend I matter.
I don’t presume to judge other people’s motives, I can, however recognize contradictions and falsehoods in an argument. (For the sake of discussion, “argument“ means one’s position) Such as what I identified in your post.
Obamacare, while endorsed by Obama, was not written by his hand. The credit or blame is not his alone. It is a flawed plan, one forged in the absence of any other plan. I don’t endorse it, but I recognize that millions gained medical coverage who otherwise would be without. There is much to correct in that plan. It is not, IMO, an exercise in divisiveness. To jump right to “insult” indicates to me a level of misunderstanding of intent.
As far as the last paragraph of your reply, it is to my eyes a resignation to inflexible biases. Partisanship by default. Why not examine the counterpoints instead of simply finding offense in them. There is value in learning from those whose views are different, as opposed to simply writing off “smarter” people as beyond your ken.
This post was edited by Don Barzini at February 11, 2019 10:04 AM MST
I love how the "hate' card is tossed into the faces of those who speak ill of Trump. When Obama was Prez, all of that went out the window and hating was OK by them.
I have to agree with Don. Trump loves to suggest that anyone who disagrees with him should be fired or locked up or somehow stopped. Anyone who breaks the law should be subject to penalties .. and I would think a President should be held to an even higher standard of conduct since he sets the tone for our country and even the rest of the world. Double standards reign supreme in his administration.
But who has he had jailed for disagreeing with him? I can find no instances of that. Someone gets elected and even if I don't agree with him I respect them for that and give them their shot. I have never seen anything like this campaign of excoriation in my life. Also don't agree with this "higher standard" of conduct theory. The important thing is a president is one of us. Standards of conduct are personal moral choices and seems to me we can't force our own choices on others and expect to remain free. And when has any president ever "set the tone for the country and the rest of the world"? Obama? Bush father or son? Reagan, Clinton, Carter? Etc. etc. So much wishful thinking. Do people sit around and wait for what any president does and just copy them? No we all have lives of our own to lead. As does our president.
I don’t think Trump would ever plead insanity, as it is squarely against his mantra of not admitting weakness or error.
Frankly, I don’t see Trump doing any time. His wealth and disciples would allow him to tie up litigation for years. Failing that, (sadly) he’ll never see GenPop like Bill Cosby. The worst part will be the river of Twitter invective.
I suggest the public disgrace of a dishonorable departure from the Presidency, and subsequent pariah-hood might be the best we could hope for. For the few years he has left. At least the public disgrace part is already on track.
This post was edited by Don Barzini at February 11, 2019 7:17 AM MST