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Some folks opt out of serving their country for "religious" reasons OR because they are rich privileged COWARDS. Right?

The burden of fighting wars rests on the shoulders of the very few. It isn't fair. It is what it is. Those who manipulate their way out of serving their country in the military are certainly not patriots. But are they really so bad or just normal human beings who don't want to die?  What's so awful about that?

Posted - December 5, 2017
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  • 1326
    Provide scriptural proof. What Wikipedia says is of no importance.
      February 13, 2018 8:16 AM MST
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  • 2657
    Not sure, but I think anyone can make an account on wikipedia and make changes?
      February 24, 2018 3:29 AM MST
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  • 7795
    I call it self-preservation.
      February 7, 2018 9:20 PM MST
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  • 113301
    Doofus don, aka bonespur, avoided serving his country as do so many wealthy cowards by using some dumba** excuse(his was bone spurs) as a reason. Did he ever have bonespurs? I dunno. Do you get operations to remove them or do they just melt away? Thank you for your reply and Happy Thursday Zack.
      February 8, 2018 3:01 AM MST
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  • 16838
    I tried to volunteer. Failed the medical.
      February 7, 2018 9:27 PM MST
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  • 113301
    There are lots of legitimate reasons why a person isn't accepted in the military. I think good eyesight is required. If you have to wear trifocals to see you probably won't get in the military. Those are honest reasons. The dishonest ones come from cowards , usually wealthy high society cowards, like doofus don. SIGH. Thank you for your reply. I think having flat feet, no arches, is also another one though I"m not certain. Height too, maybe. I'm also thinking if you have anaphylaxis caused by deadly allergies (usually tree nuts but other things too) they don't want you. Bonespurs is a new one. Did the bonehead ever have a operation to remove them or did they conveniently disappear once his eligibility was over?
      February 8, 2018 3:05 AM MST
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  • 16838
    Would you believe I was underweight for my height? True. 4F.
      February 8, 2018 3:07 AM MST
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  • 113301
    You were skinny Sbf?  So was Jim but not underweight enough to have him turned down. I'm guessing maybe because of the heavy things troops have to carry with them they thought you might not be able to do it? Do they test your strength? I know potential troops get physicals. At least that's what I've seen in movies. What other tests do they take to make sure they are okay to go into battle? Being underweight certainly doesn't mean one can't be very strong. You don't have to be a Sumo Wrestler and I bet Sumo Wrestlers are not acceptable in the military. How fast can they run? What do they weigh? 500 lbs? AARRGGHH. Thank you for your reply! :)
      February 8, 2018 3:14 AM MST
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  • 16838
    I was boxing flyweight at the time. No problem with strength or fitness.
      February 8, 2018 3:18 AM MST
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  • 113301
    What about being overweight Sbf? If there was a min there must have been a max? Could donjohn get in as obese as he is?
      February 8, 2018 3:44 AM MST
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  • 16838
    Not now he couldn't, but he wasn't always fat.
      February 8, 2018 4:25 PM MST
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  • 113301
    Oh. So when he was eligible he was of normal weight. Thank you for your reply and Happy Friday! :)
      February 9, 2018 5:57 AM MST
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  • 2219
    Not sure why religious is put in double quotes. I have met religious pacifists who were brave enough to protest unarmed in the face of nuclear submarines. Hardly cowardly. 
      February 8, 2018 6:36 AM MST
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  • 113301
    That "religious" is for those who aren't remotely "religious" but fake it and lie to get out of doing their duty and serving their country Malizz. The religious folks who honestly and honorably don't want to serve in any capacity in the military where death awaits others is not put in quotation marks. I thought everyone understood that. Now I have explained it to you.  Any other questions you have?
      February 9, 2018 5:59 AM MST
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  • 14795
    In days of Yore, leaders use to lead their men into battle an took their chances with the best of them....

    Nowadays leaders sit safely out of harms reach or arm's reach while others less educated become cannon fodder......

    Who in their right mind wants to be shot at and killed.....if leader had to be in the front line of fire there would be no more wars....

    Leaders need to be able to spend their wealth and to exist in a Mollycoddled State.......some where very expensive and exclusive I think....
      February 8, 2018 6:55 AM MST
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  • 113301
    True. What's worse is when the killers are 6000 miles away controlling drones who do the actually killing. Brave is not among the adjectives I would use for them. SIGH. Thank you for your reply D and Happy Friday! :) If those who vote for war were obligated to send their children to fight  it would be a different world. I'm gonna ask. :)
      February 9, 2018 6:01 AM MST
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  • 14795
    How true Rosie......how true....
      February 9, 2018 11:03 AM MST
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  • 6098
    How do we serve our country?  Some of us pay taxes, some do military service, some volunteer in the public sectors or become politicians which is supposed to be public service, others loan money, etc. Some perhaps don't think they owe their country anything at all and may choose to raise their fists at their country or "take a knee". 

    Very few people want to do and those who do are mostly going to be pretty untrustworthy. True of all people whether rich, poor, or privileged.  Many people do understand that in the service of their country they might be killed but still they serve because they believe in their sacrifice it would be for a worthy cause. 

    Most people who are killed in wars are the foot soldiers, the infantry, who must go in harms way. But they are supported by an enormous infrastructure  that make their work easier and less daunting and more successful.  Which is manned by people who will likely not lose their lives - clerks, tacticians, supply sector, computer experts, intelligence, etc. etc.  Now these people also serve though for them its not so much a case of risking their lives. Because they are necessary to support the infantry or the Air Force or whatever.  So I think its not a matter of OK if you are not ready to die you are necessarily a "coward" because there are other and as important things for you to do.

    Some people have opted out for religious beliefs or from secular opposition to killing and there are or were conscientious objectors who in World War Two were given other war work to do other than combat.  Like working off their service in hospitals or driving ambulances etc.   We are not all equally brave. And even the so-called "brave" are terrified as well. 

    The military draft ended sometime when I was young maybe when Nixon was pres? In those days women were not conscripted though of course many served as nurses and support workers. When I see or hear of men, or women, who have served in whatever capacities I can't help feeling thankful to them and seeing them as the defenders of whatever freedoms I have. They may not be the most pleasant people but they are worthy I think of our support and the support of their government. As war becomes more and more technological it seems it is handled by a smaller and more select group of people - really experts. So of course is not as pervasive the community feeling that you had back when many people in your community you knew served in Korea or WW2 or Vietnam.  Has largely become more specialized now. 
      February 8, 2018 8:15 AM MST
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  • 13395
    Psalm 144:1 -of David blessed be the Lord, my rock,who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. 

    Luke 3:14 -soldiers also asked him "and what shall we do?" And he said "do not extort money from anybody and be content with your wages".
      February 9, 2018 7:38 AM MST
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your reply Kg and the quotes. I appreciate both. Happy Friday to thee! :) This post was edited by RosieG at February 9, 2018 12:07 PM MST
      February 9, 2018 10:57 AM MST
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  • 2657
    Prior to the death of Jesus, Jews were under the Mosaic Law. They fought wars and such.
      February 9, 2018 2:38 PM MST
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  • 13277
    And today, an organization called the Jewish War Veterans of the USA has about 15,000 members.
      February 10, 2018 2:26 AM MST
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  • 2657
    After leaning on Egypt and Assyria in the past, what do you think of Israel leaning on America today?

    EDIT: (2 Chronicles 32:8; Isaiah 30:3; 31:1-3) (2 Chron. 16:7-9) (Jeremiah 17:5)  This post was edited by texasescimo at February 14, 2018 8:49 AM MST
      February 10, 2018 6:28 AM MST
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  • 13277
    It's far from a one-way street. Israel and the US help each other in many ways.
      February 10, 2018 6:39 AM MST
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  • 2657
    Was it a one way street with Egypt or Syria?
    That really wasn't the point I got from the cited verses.

      February 10, 2018 6:55 AM MST
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